BUG pocket

[CAL]

This looks like a good concept but I don't know anyone who has used it. Any thoughts?

http://www.bugpocket.com/index.htm


(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwQKmRKOE0s&feature=player_embedded)

[Feet]

Looks kinda goofy. it will puff your chest out a few inches. If wearing a vest, strap your backup to it.
Looks like it would be useful if you were not wearing a vest.

[Broke Hoss]

Not for me. I've carried a snubbie in a Uncle Mikes IWB holster ($8) clipped to the top strap of my vest for all 26 yrs. Comfortable nuff; can't see that it's there; never came out, even in a fight & I can get it with either hand. All things thier ad says it aint.

[DD78]

1.) They need to update their video because it was obviously made in the 80's.

2.) It looks like a reasonable way to carry a "BUG". I've always refused to do so because I don't want the damn thing on my ankle or anywhere else where it poses another retention problem.

3.) I'd have to see it in person and even wear it before making a call. It seems like it wouldn't be that bad with something small and thin. Like a PPS or PPK...LCR, or LCP.

[CAL]

I've always refused to do so because I don't want the damn thing on my ankle or anywhere else where it poses another retention problem.

So you don't carry a backup?

[Feet]

So you don't carry a backup?

Yeah, I am interested too.:popcorn:

[DD78]

Nope, and no one I know in this state does either. The way I look at it, ankle holsters and shit just pose a retention problem. I'm 100 times more likely to lose it in a struggle than to use it.

Retention of my primary weapon? Easy. I'll gut you like a fish with a knife in a jack pocket on the non-gun side.

You'd be better off carrying a backup radio than a backup gun. The primary radio is more likely to fail. The radio is what will really save your ass or keep you out of trouble. The gun is important but the radio is your most important safety tool.

[Broke Hoss]

I agree with you on ankle holsters, but I know others that have worn 1 for years.

And I somewhat agree with the backup radio, it'd be great if we could carry atleast 2 of everything. But the radio ain't gonna stop an immediate threat. And if, for what ever reason, the primary weapon ain't there or ain't useable I want that 2nd gun.

Hell, I carry a total of 3 guns & 3 fighting knives when in uniform. All are accessable in different ways; left/right hand, standing, on my back or belly.

I encourage all my rookies to consider carrying a back-up, but it is a personal decision & I don't condem someone for not doing so. I would say around here it is about 50% maybe a few more that carry a 2nd gun.

[Feet]

Nope, and no one I know in this state does either. The way I look at it, ankle holsters and shit just pose a retention problem. I'm 100 times more likely to lose it in a struggle than to use it.

Retention of my primary weapon? Easy. I'll gut you like a fish with a knife in a jack pocket on the non-gun side.

You'd be better off carrying a backup radio than a backup gun. The primary radio is more likely to fail. The radio is what will really save your ass or keep you out of trouble. The gun is important but the radio is your most important safety tool.


I disagree about not needing a backup gun. I will admit that I have never had to use my backup gun but I am planning for the day when I actually have to use it. On that day, it will save my life. I heard a lot of arguments about not wearing a vest too. Now in my dept, everybody does everything in their vest.
I hope I will never have to "use" my vest either but I always have it on just in case. It only takes 1 time to kill me.
Now, I do not have anything against those who choose to NOT carry their backup. In all honesty, I think we have 1 other guy on my shift who wears a BUG.

For me, preparing for the worst by wearing my vest and carrying a backup gun are good ways to guarantee I can win a gunfight. I can accept that one extra gun will suffice fore me.
Broke Hoss on the other hand, would carry a claymore and a couple of M67 frags on duty!

I carry 2 guns, 1 knife on duty. Two more guns in my car and LOTS of ammo.
To each his own.:dunno:

[DD78]

I'll never dog a guy for carrying extra gear, so long as he can carry it. One exception...if you show up on my call wearing an assault pack and you aren't on a SWAT callout or an active shooter, I'm reserving the right to say something. :razz:

However, for me I think the Back up gun poses a retention problem. This particular piece of equipment (the BUG pocket) could reduce that risk and cause me to re-evaluate my stance.

BTW, anyone not wearing a vest is a fucking idiot. By policy, you don't have to wear one here, and I can only think of 3 guys of 60 who don't wear one. I wore IBA in Iraq. Don't tell me soft armor is too hot or too restrictive, which are the typical excuses.

At this stage of the game however, I've got big fucking problems if I go to a backup gun. Further, it's a little different for me as I work in a place where if I hit my panic button I have at least 3 more units there inside of 3 minutes, no matter what.

But I have my primary gun, which has never failed (never say never, I know), my spray, my taser with two cartridges, my knife, my radio, my jiu jitsu training (which is really a hybrid street fighting art to include empty handed weapon defenses), and a shotgun in my trunk. If all that either fails or isn't accessible, I guess I'm fucked.

It's a risk I guess I'm willing to take.

[Broke Hoss]

Broke Hoss on the other hand, would carry a claymore and a couple of M67 frags on duty!


A frag or 2? Maybe. The claymore would have to go in the bailout bag.:thup:

[Feet]

A frag or 2? Maybe. The claymore would have to go in the bailout bag.:thup:

I tried to give you rep for that but I already sent some your way and it limited me.

DD78- I agree. If you wanna carry it, you gotta hump it and secure it. I am a paranoid kind of guy so I carry my backup. The day may come when I do not carry one but as long as I am on the streets, I feel all warm and fuzzy inside with one.
Cops without vests are just silly. Most here are old school guys who bitch about it but they hate computers and autoloaders too so fuck them.:fyou:

Carry what you will(or won't), just make sure you get home.
I have no jiu jitsu, I only have my :fyou:ghetto-fu to get me by.
It has worked well and I am always adding moves into my repertoire.:rock:

[cherokeegunsmith]

I actually bought one of these (years ago) and put it on my vest. Worked reasonably well with a small flat auto (PPK), not so well with a small wheelgun (S&W "J" frame)i.e. it "bulged out"; I eventually just went to a small vest holster that went on the vest side strap (Uncle Mike's) for my snubby.

[AggiePhil]

5.11 Holster Pouch. $10. Holds small semi-autos (GLOCK 27 for me) and j-frames. Been using it for several years now.

http://phildorsett.com/images/bugcarry1.jpg

http://phildorsett.com/images/bugcarry4.jpg

[CAL]

Good stuff.

[CAL]

To revisit this discussion - I would like some additional input. As some of you know I am 99% sure I will accept a position in a rural area with sporadic backup that is close. With that said, I will be carrying a Glock 21 (.45 for those that don't know) for my duty weapon and now I am debating whether to carry my Glock 30 (subcompact .45) as my BUG or if I should go with something smaller and lighter, such as an LCR or something similar. Your thoughts are appreciated.

[AggiePhil]

You could do a G30 or G30SF in that armpit carry position quite easily. Would be a lot easier to do a G36 there but you'd have different mags then. I'd borrow a G30SF and see how you like it. Don't worry about a slight bulge (no one will know what it is anyway), worry about if it's comfortable there up against your body. I suspect it'll be fine and comforting in a peace of mind sort of way. ;-)

[CAL]

Phil, are you right handed and if so why do you carry it on that side?

[AggiePhil]

Phil, are you right handed and if so why do you carry it on that side?

Because if you're having to draw the BUG, it's possible that you've been wounded in the dominant hand and have lost your main gun as a result. You would then need to be able to draw the BUG with your support hand.

In the event that your dominant hand is not out of the fight, it's quite easy to draw the BUG with your support hand and then move it over to your dominant hand.

[sbrown95]

I agree with Phil on that one... Got to think smart for placement of BUG.

[Feet]

Because if you're having to draw the BUG, it's possible that you've been wounded in the dominant hand and have lost your main gun as a result. You would then need to be able to draw the BUG with your support hand.

In the event that your dominant hand is not out of the fight, it's quite easy to draw the BUG with your support hand and then move it over to your dominant hand.

I carry mine same way. I figure I may be laying on my gun side or trapping suspect making a gun grab so I might need to draw support hand. I can also reach mine with my gun hand.

I agree with Phil on that one... Got to think smart for placement of BUG.


I tried the other way but I liked it better like he has it, butt forward on strong side.

[Chapman38]

I see a bulge on the females vest.